tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post8874247040673967347..comments2024-02-25T23:01:07.257-05:00Comments on Target Caller: Eve of the Battle of VFKTalvorian Dexhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01349917611382684205noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-18002469222548599732016-04-02T16:04:20.121-04:002016-04-02T16:04:20.121-04:00Well, either my plea to the intel channel and comm...Well, either my plea to the intel channel and command was a stunning success, or the TiDi was so intense getting to U9Q that we decided not to go for VFK.<br /><br />Still, it was nice to avoid the trap, even if CCP is slightly pissed off: look at CCP's "fighting intensifies" Scope video for their response to "interceptor fleets" and "avoiding a fight". It's a masterclass in hidden derision.<br /><br />Now, responding to you:<br /><br />"More importantly, taking VFK was a goal for every anti-goon group"<br /><br />And we all remember how well those groups did, right? <br /><br />I think the new, serious attempt at fighting the CFC has *finally* learned that a stupid motto and idiotic strategy aren't required to win, but are required to lose.<br /><br />Mittanigrad will remain for a while, I expect. There are real staging systems to take.Rob Kaichinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17972854173258346444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-54392903116593969962016-04-02T04:24:30.725-04:002016-04-02T04:24:30.725-04:00Symbolic battles are risky things. Showing up and ...Symbolic battles are risky things. Showing up and losing is a huge morale loss. Not showing up and saying "lol it's a troll" is safer. So everyone said that.<br /><br />Including me. I suggested to MoA to let Goons be blueballed and take PB timers instead. <br /><br />Missed opportunity Indeed.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-62688045489512844372016-04-02T01:16:37.337-04:002016-04-02T01:16:37.337-04:00I think both sides downplayed the significance of ...I think both sides downplayed the significance of VFK because it was too risky this early in the war. For Goons, losing a big fight in a symbolic system would hurt morale. The Allies had to worry about the numbers Goons would bring after MIttani's speech, and the defender's ability to reship in YA0 and escalate to capitals and supers in a system that is several midpoints away from PL staging.<br /><br />Its hard to predict when the really big fights will happen because they usually only happen when someone makes a mistake.Lunal Galgannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-90985260743005124042016-04-01T21:06:05.279-04:002016-04-01T21:06:05.279-04:00Yeah, huge bummer. Missed opportunity, I think.Yeah, huge bummer. Missed opportunity, I think.Talvorian Dexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349917611382684205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-67839206896513756832016-04-01T21:05:52.643-04:002016-04-01T21:05:52.643-04:00So sad about that. I got home to find... nothing h...So sad about that. I got home to find... nothing happened. Talvorian Dexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349917611382684205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-59634714217688812312016-04-01T17:57:11.808-04:002016-04-01T17:57:11.808-04:00Nice call to arms. VFK is a symbol and morale boos...Nice call to arms. VFK is a symbol and morale boost for the victor of the battle. <br /><br />uhm wait what. no real battle for VFK at all???Raziel Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02545370350482232205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-39263346943563420322016-04-01T17:54:07.764-04:002016-04-01T17:54:07.764-04:00If you put in reservations for a Stalingrad and do...If you put in reservations for a Stalingrad and don't show up, do you still have to tip?<br /><br />I just watched the Fozzie counters all get captured by GSF while sitting at work. Was there even a fight? Is Mittens going to be insufferably smug yet again?Wilhelm Arcturushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07033496821708933394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-38990288287891420352016-04-01T15:59:56.173-04:002016-04-01T15:59:56.173-04:00I joined the CFC in early 2011, and even then VFK ...I joined the CFC in early 2011, and even then VFK was the spiritual home for Goons. There are staging systems, and then there are homes. More importantly, taking VFK was a goal for every anti-goon group, who would salivate at the dream of one day seizing that crown jewel to humiliate and embarrass Goons.<br /><br />Sure, some of the emphasis has shifted, and this wouldn't be a true headshot, but in almost every conflict, the symbolic victories matter more than the real ones.<br /><br />Consider Stalingrad - it was so critical that Russia win that battle not only because of its strategic importance, but specifically because it bore the name of their leader. Without that, there were other, better uses for the sheer quantity of resources Russia threw into that pit.Talvorian Dexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349917611382684205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-35235437245193838972016-04-01T12:12:26.783-04:002016-04-01T12:12:26.783-04:00"For the allies, they need this victory. Unli..."For the allies, they need this victory. Unlike the CFC, the coalition of "good guys" isn't really a coalition. They don't have unified services, fleet command, or a history of cooperation. The coalition - and by extension the effort of attacking the CFC - depends on keeping excitement and momentum on their side. All of the pilots in that attacking force recognize the significance of VFK; it's the vile pit of hate and contemptuousness from which Goons spew their filth across the universe, a nest of vipers, liars, and thieves that needs to be stamped out. Or, so the propaganda would have you believe."<br /><br />I remain to be convinced of the above.<br /><br />VFK's importance is, at best, ceremonial. The importance of a system where no-one stages, and very few actually have assets, far, far away from any home territory is low.<br /><br />More over, what's the need for a victory? TNT, BASTN, LAWN, SMA, all are looking vulnerable. Pick them off, keep the moment building, and more importantly, prove that they're worth only a single interceptor fleet. No more, no less.<br /><br />But we'll probably go for VFK anyway. Because we're stupid, and the memes are tempting.Rob Kaichinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17972854173258346444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-87404017604850112932016-04-01T11:55:40.288-04:002016-04-01T11:55:40.288-04:00I think this is actually a trap, albeit a trap of ...I think this is actually a trap, albeit a trap of our own making. The smart play might be to erode the Empire's edges. Tenal and Branch cannot be defended from Saranen so the MBC is set to win simply by the geography. They can't hold the regions and losing regions may lead to losing alliances.<br /><br />Of course a mad VFK headshot promises to be a ton of fun and I'll definitely be there. My money's on Rome today though.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.com