tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post6933808467873925538..comments2024-02-25T23:01:07.257-05:00Comments on Target Caller: VillainsTalvorian Dexhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01349917611382684205noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-11850727082286920172015-05-23T21:13:54.341-04:002015-05-23T21:13:54.341-04:00A villian is an excuse.
In chess game, there is n...A villian is an excuse.<br /><br />In chess game, there is no need of villains, each player has an understanding when they sit at the board. An eve player will turn up without having needed to learn the moves, just knock the pieces over. It will be the other players fault because the pieces were not magnetic or more weighted. Much the same as you do not need any investment in industry to kill an industrial player. - nor involvement in FW for target selection in contested space.Easy Eskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17882509080454825895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-90734387761036501862015-05-21T10:04:14.860-04:002015-05-21T10:04:14.860-04:00Let's say instead, TD, that you are not a vill...Let's say instead, TD, that you are not a villain, but rather are *playing* a villain for the fun of dominating others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-53035444070079887272015-05-21T08:22:47.008-04:002015-05-21T08:22:47.008-04:00I'm not really interested in trying to influen...I'm not really interested in trying to influence people one way or another. By all means, continue the wars. Just do them because you find them fun and like to farm kills. Applying an "I'm hurting the evil goons!" narrative is... fantastical, at best.Talvorian Dexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349917611382684205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-74190089242291016122015-05-21T05:52:15.176-04:002015-05-21T05:52:15.176-04:00I'm sorry, I was going to address this in a lo...I'm sorry, I was going to address this in a longer post below, but <b>really?</b> I get that that's the 'standard line' for High-sec wardec losses. I've even said it myself a few times. Still, <b> really?</b><br /><br />I find it extremely telling that GSF and the CFC are <i> not </i> monolithic entities, until they are. Perhaps they occupy some schrödingian status, where they are monolithic or fractured depending on the argument they are part of. <br /><br />Let's break the CFC down first. <br />1) The CFC is a group of alliances, made up of corporations, made up of players. Do you disagree? <br />2) Players depend only on one thing: their account status. Do you disagree? <br />3) Players must pay IRL or ISK to keep their account status active. Do you disagree?<br />4) Player losses inhibit the purchasing of PLEX (through in-game means). Do you disagree?<br /><br />Therefore, player losses can impact on account status, which impact on the strength of corporations, and so on up the chain to their alliances and beyond. <br /><br />Do you disagree?<br /><br />You have tried to downplay the impact that loss has. I would suggest that player losses have <i> wider and greater impacts </i>. Morale and its various components, for example. Continual losses, such as those taken by SMA to MoA and 'NPC trash' have a drag on willingness to play. <br /><br />Deny, downplay, minimise all you like, things are not quite so simple as you would have me believe...<br /><br />Rob K.<br /><br /><br />Rob Kaichinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17972854173258346444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-55521405650224480972015-05-20T11:27:42.622-04:002015-05-20T11:27:42.622-04:00Some groups, tribes, factions, individuals, have a...Some groups, tribes, factions, individuals, have a need for a "villain", a Malign Other to, well...malign.<br /><br />I've been happily fulfilling this role for most of my life, to the point where I'm pretty uncomfortable being accepted, liked, etc. Maybe I should join Gewns...what's your guys' background check fee again?? ;-D<br /><br />I guess I'm the weird outlier...I don't see myself as a hero in my own Quixotic narrative (which seems pretty common these days, people tilting at "giant" windmills via social media). I'm just a random dude who really doesn't matter fuck-all in the grander scheme of things.Hong WeiLohnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-45434295569234221592015-05-20T11:11:55.800-04:002015-05-20T11:11:55.800-04:00Thanks for reading and for posting. I post all ne...Thanks for reading and for posting. I post all neutral or well-constructed posts. Just avoid profanity or really offensive content (disagreeing with me is NOT offensive, btw...) and I'll post.Talvorian Dexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349917611382684205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-2782087933088010652015-05-20T10:48:51.595-04:002015-05-20T10:48:51.595-04:00First time reader, after this reading this i'l...First time reader, after this reading this i'll be sure to check out all of your future posts.<br />Really good post imo :)Iam Lynchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-4753707630473771562015-05-20T09:46:51.043-04:002015-05-20T09:46:51.043-04:00I remember a "Villian" that Brave Newbie...I remember a "Villian" that Brave Newbies had early. He would sit on our undock and pick us off one by one. We could not muster the strength to drive him off. His name was Minas93. He taught us about safe undocking. He taught us to click and warp. He taught us to "be less shit".<br /><br />He eventually became a good friend. Sometimes we were able to chase him off, sometimes we even killed him. He eventually had to go back to school. We were sad to see him go.<br /><br />http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies/comments/1ys4ze/goodbye_bni/ <br />Tv Isoffhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-20187288672607618942015-05-20T09:41:58.072-04:002015-05-20T09:41:58.072-04:00In my view, there are only desires and perspective...In my view, there are only desires and perspectives. The Imperium does not exert influence on every system. With FozzieSov, the area it can regularly influence will dramatically decrease. So GSF is not a dominating force in any practical way.<br /><br />What you see as "more villainy", I see as agency, impetus, and passion. Fighting an enemy requires people to get their hands dirty; this doesn't make them evil.<br /><br />A note about the war decs... The argument that high-sec war deccers are doing anything negative to GSF is simply not true. All corp/alliance logistics are handled by out-of-corp freighter and industrial alts. The only losses GSF pilots suffer are from individuals doing stupid things and getting caught (and yes, me too, sometimes). It has no effect whatsoever on the strength of the coalition. Alliances that do it actually perform a service by providing a Nietzschean education. Thank you for that. :)Talvorian Dexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349917611382684205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-478982234535524882015-05-20T09:30:44.923-04:002015-05-20T09:30:44.923-04:00This argument is an interpretation of an interpret...This argument is an interpretation of an interpretation that only proves my point. You're trying to swing opinion around through selective interpretation too. :)<br /><br />Perhaps this term will help frame the context of my point: will-to-power. It's what we all do; I'm just pointing it out. ;)Talvorian Dexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349917611382684205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-14752374473708675462015-05-20T09:27:35.828-04:002015-05-20T09:27:35.828-04:00Oops! Meant "define", not "defeat&...Oops! Meant "define", not "defeat".Talvorian Dexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349917611382684205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-44691526836782305012015-05-20T08:50:36.604-04:002015-05-20T08:50:36.604-04:00"The Romans understood this simple fact: Grea..."The Romans understood this simple fact: Great Villains defeat Great Heroes."<br /><br />Surely you mean that Great Heroes defeat Great Villains?<br /><br />Otherwise that whole section becomes rather bizarre.<br /><br />Rob K.Rob Kaichinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17972854173258346444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-78409249927441539232015-05-20T08:28:01.506-04:002015-05-20T08:28:01.506-04:00As I said below, I think the fact is that there is...As I said below, I think the fact is that there is no counter-play to Villainy in this game (except more villainy). The combination of Alt-characters, new accounts, character transfer and more absolve players of all personal responsibility, should they have the ISK and wealth outside the game to take advantage of it. <br /><br />Looking for one example of 'good heroes', I would pick out the infini-war between GSF and the White Rose Conventicle (I think), way back when war-decs were introduced (re-implemented?). GSF were trapped in an unbreakable war with the forces of high-sec and were losing quite badly.<br /><br />Unfortunately, CCP then removed the possiblity of this ever happening, and the situation was brought to a close in GSF's favour. You can imagine how this looked to WRC and the Heroes of the hour. (Most of whom then left the game, as I understand it.) If you're wondering where the Heroes went, here's your smoking gun. <br /><br /><b> [NOTE, this is all from memory, and is very likely somewhat wrong] </b><br /><br />So there, balance between good and evil firmly tilted, and see what happened...<br />:P<br /><br />Rob K.Rob Kaichinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17972854173258346444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-15418645243989309272015-05-20T08:17:42.821-04:002015-05-20T08:17:42.821-04:00I disagree... if you hear the other side, you may ...I disagree... if you hear the other side, you may discover a better opinion, which you can then adopt to be "right" again. I don't argue to be _seen_ to be more effective, I argue to create a crucible that either negates or strengthens my views. Both results are equally acceptable, because both leave me better than I started out. Only by listening can you always be on the winning side. :)<br /><br />But this is a bit too philosophical even for this post!Talvorian Dexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349917611382684205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-56497610131035853632015-05-20T08:11:30.533-04:002015-05-20T08:11:30.533-04:00"Someone recently denigrated me because I’m i..."Someone recently denigrated me because I’m in Goonswarm." <br /><br />I'm guessing that that was me, which is a mite unfair of you. I wasn't trying to denigrate you at all, I respect you more than that. I was trying to call out what I felt was a rather obvious piece of cognitive dissonance in your reaction. That you took a rather (as I felt) facetious tone to my reply was your choice :P. Still, I felt there was some productive discussion involved in the follow up.<br /><br />But back to the current topic. I'd like to pick out a single line, that I feel is key to the relationship the 'villains' (GSF and the CFC) have to the game. <br /><br />"I seek to make the gameworld compatible to my perspective."<br /><br />Now, replace compatible with congruent*, and look at what you get.<br /><br />"I seek to make the gameworld congruent to my perspective"<br /><br />(Using the geometrical definition: (of figures) identical in form)<br /><br />Or, to phrase it a little less archaically, <b> "I want to make the gameworld only suit me". </b><br /><br />That's my problem with GSF and the CFC. There is no way to counter the CFC, unless you play like them. Supra-organisational skill in the meta-game have beaten skill in the real game. If you want to talk about 'lessons', then the lesson the CFC teaches is that there is no point being the best in-game, because you will lose outside the game. <br /><br />To use a terrible phrase, to beat the villain, you must become him. (Which is where my opposition to the idea of 'N3' as a coalition comes from).<br /><br />And honestly, I don't want to play someone else's game. <br /><br /><br />Rob K.<br /><br />*Because, compatible might be what <i> you </i> said. But it isn't really what you mean. (or so I think :P). <br /><br />And CCP knows how many time skillpoint based force multipliers have been removed from the game. (with a <i> mysterious villain </i> leading the charge. :P)Rob Kaichinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17972854173258346444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-74521175447628096492015-05-20T00:11:45.924-04:002015-05-20T00:11:45.924-04:00Thank God for subjectivity (capital G, silly inten...Thank God for subjectivity (capital G, silly intended ::giggle::).<br /><br />One limitation of treating reality (small t truth) as but result of angry opinions crashing together in unending battle is that one rarely hears others. Oh one pays attention to others, often very close attention, as one must when searching for weakness to exploit, but one rarely *hears* others. Hearing merely risks weakening one’s position in the reality battle royale. Accordingly, one doesn’t hear (mustn’t hear) as hearing is but losing strategy.<br /><br />Speaking for myself only, my most life changing reevaluations rarely grew out of contestation. Rather, they grew out of listening, really listening to other's thoughts and following up with no immediate attempt to bludgeon but rather just wearing those thoughts for a while.<br />DireNecessitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-28852202494862920522015-05-19T23:24:01.239-04:002015-05-19T23:24:01.239-04:00Hero is a matter of perspective. I'd challeng...Hero is a matter of perspective. I'd challenge your claim that "a hero is welcome in polite society". I don't think being a hero and being protected under the "shield of law" overlap entirely.<br /><br />To me, a hero has been one who has stood for a cause no matter the cost to himself. The one who can say, "Yes, I am right, and the world is wrong, and let me prove it to you through those I help."<br /><br />I think Eve does have heroes. It's just that being a hero and being "good" are not the same thing. Every hero is his adversary's villain. :)Talvorian Dexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349917611382684205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-80334904315254318132015-05-19T23:09:55.325-04:002015-05-19T23:09:55.325-04:00You said...
"...at its core, Goonswarm are vi...You said...<br /><i>"...at its core, Goonswarm are villains. They swagger into high-sec with bravado, slake their thirst on mission runners and freighters during the Burn events, then leave."</i><br /><br />I myself have argued this very point many times. Oh I hate the Swarm on a personal level, but I also respect the level of skill and gamesmanship (not to be confused with any kind of honor or E-honor, just gamesmanship) that Mittens and his minions have brought to EVE... and the fact that they as the Villain, they create great content in the game for themselves and for us all. <br /><br />Man is his own best enemy. And no matter how evil or vile one makes an NPC Boss, no programmed 'enemy' will ever be as evil or as duplicitous as a thinking human being., and the Swarm under Das Mittens have stepped up and donned the black hat and cape and twirly mustache of The Villains of EVE with a will.<br /><br />I pose this question to you my enemy, my friend... Why is it that EVE has no Hero's? Oh we have hundreds of players who really want to fight the good fight and all.. but as in the real world, the Hero's in EVE are handcuffed by the rules and the Villains... simply aren't.<br /><br />Goons don't mind and even carefully plan for the Sec Status hits their players take for the Burn Jita's and Hulkageddons they perpetrate... but the Hero's can't afford those same penalties they would pay for fighting back... not if they want to continue to live in Hisec or even in Lowsec... no real Hero has a Security Status of -5.0 or even -3.0... a Hero is welcome in polite society (all of Hisec) and his actions against Villains are made under the Shield of Law, and are condoned and supported by society at large.<br /><br />We talk a lot about balance in EVE... ship balancing, module balancing even space balancing... but we never talk about the balance between Good and Evil... We have a Great Villain and his Horde of Evil Minions... we don't have a Great Hero and his Band of Trusty Companions.<br /><br />Maybe we should. =]Turamarth Elrandirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08129383421613323047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-7886491606296574592015-05-19T22:47:59.475-04:002015-05-19T22:47:59.475-04:00I'm a villain!I'm a villain!Sugar Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15437978687639772023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-76370022332340598832015-05-19T22:00:20.700-04:002015-05-19T22:00:20.700-04:00Every statement I make is my genuine opinion and b...Every statement I make is my genuine opinion and belief. But I don't make the mistake of trying to come up with The Universal Truth or The Right Answer For Everyone (capitals intended). I don't believe in universal truth. I don't believe in one answer. I believe reality consists of an equilibrium of dynamic, angry forces. My opinions crashing up against yours determine where the "front" is; that front is what we call "reality". The more people who agree with me, the more power that perspective has. But everyone needs to come to it honestly.<br /><br />So saying, "I'm not interested in Truth" isn't the same as saying, "I don't believe what I am saying." It's saying that though all things are subjective, I think you (reader) should use the same perspective I am.Talvorian Dexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349917611382684205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4159840807393856856.post-46551411068557379522015-05-19T21:47:25.136-04:002015-05-19T21:47:25.136-04:00“I don’t believe my way is right; [I]only present ...“I don’t believe my way is right; [I]only present arguments to persuade as many people as possible to believe as I believe. I don’t seek truth; I seek to make the gameworld compatible to my perspective.”<br /><br />Care to elaborate on that a little Tal? Generally speaking proclaiming one not only isn’t seeking truth (or something akin to ‘truth’) but also that one doesn’t believe their way is right (or something akin to ‘right’) is not the kind of thing one wants to say publicly. If you don’t believe in what you claim, at least a little, that well-nigh makes you mere provocateur and a rather poor one at that. Good provocateurs never overtly state such things. It takes all the wind out of their arguments.<br /><br />I’m handing you a mulligan here. Claim it.<br /><br /><br />DireNecessitynoreply@blogger.com